Does the Bible Lie?

©Jeanne E Webster

 

Recently an atheist commented on one of my posts:  “Why do Christians suffer if the Bible says God protects them from evil, death, pain, etc.?  It’s all lies.”

I’m preparing a post to answer this question.  It’s in the works.

I would love to hear your response to someone asking you the same question.  It’s a great exercise in apologetics. 

I’m waiting…

Thanks!

Jeanne

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  3. writinggomer says:

    Very interesting discussion going on here!
    How about the fact that God Himself, the very Creator of all came to this earth, and died to pay the penalty for what we did (sin)? Now if God (Jesus) suffered and died (willingly, for no one makes God do anything)
    for us/me, what would make anyone think that we are going to be exempt from suffering?
    Protection…define that. Maybe sometimes we will be outright protected from an unpleasant event in our lives altogether, as in a near miss. Sometimes events happen such as an accident, or illness, or some other calamity…but God gives us grace to get through it…is this not a form of protection? Sometimes we endure some type of unpleasantness and it is used to strengthen us, make us better people…so is the positive outcome invalidated because the beginning was a negative event?
    I had a finger ripped of a few years ago, maybe God allowed that to teach me to be more thankful. I can tell you that I was never angry about it despite what that injury has done to my hand. By the grace of God, I have maintained a good attitude about it. I can still do construction and automotive work!
    I have a friend who was run over by her own van, the front end of the van. She should have died, the van ran over her chest…people just don’t survive this kind of accident. Through this she was able to witness to many people in the hospital about her faith…God at work? I think so.

  4. Hi Jeanne. I am sorry if I have been a little behind on checking blogs. I caught the worst flu in my entire life. Been sick as all get out. Anyway as far as your post goes, consider these 2 verses: knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. 2 Peter 1:20-21. When something don’t look right, that is where FAITH comes in. Gods Word ALWAYS stands true – So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it. – Isaiah 55:11. If the bible seems like a bunch of lies to someone perhaps they should consider this verse as well – But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. – 1 Corinthians 2:14. Have a wonderful day

  5. You present many points for discussion here, Anne. Thank you. I really want to focus on the one question, “The Bible states that God protects believers from evil, pain, disease, suffering, etc. Yet we continue to suffer as the world suffers. A big inconsistancy!” Does the Bible muddy the truth here?

  6. See Job 1:20-22

    When we have questions (and all do in varied forms) we find answers!
    Sunday our pastor’s wife spoke of a Christian man’s godly letter to the editor in a local paper and a hateful reply by another man with blasphemy to our God.

    • Thanks, Pam, for the refer to Job. A great study there.

      Yes, when godly people speak up, the hate remarks fly. That’s life.

      Old saying: “Just because the message was not received, does not mean it should not have been sent.”

      Shalom :)

    • Thanks for your comments, Anne. We all would do well to study the Word. Picking out one line in the Bible for an answer to questions is not a well-rounded summation.

  7. Debbie says:

    Well Jeanne – you certainly have us talking! Going all the way back to the very first comment, I think Marie responded beautifully.
    A very close family member is a former dedicated Baptist, turned atheist. I love him. We don’t debate. If he has a change of heart, God will have to do it, I can’t. I can, however, work at staying in relationship with him and being relentless in my prayers for him. And with that said, like Michael, I look forward to your posts. :D
    Debbie

  8. Marie says:

    Well, what does the original commenter mean by “protect?” And does the original commenter allow for natural consequences that flow out of our own freely made decisions? Or are we talking strictly about things like natural disasters, cancer, etc?

    God has never been, is not currently and will never be a liar. I take this to mean that Scripture, as inspired by the Spirit, does not lie. I guess I’d like to know where the Bible says that we Christians will escape from anything (which is what I assume the original commenter means by “protect”). Instead, I see “though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, You are with me.” “In this world you will have trouble.” “In nakedness, in peril, etc.”

    I’m depressed. I’ve got PTSD. I’m in a dark valley. Oh, but God does protect me! He wraps me in His arms and walks with me through it. That’s more valuable to me than escape.

  9. Sounds like you have had a time with some atheists also. I do not confront them nor do I look for trouble with them. They believe what they believe. However, when they ask me a question, I feel I should reply and make an account of my belief in Christ Jesus. Perhaps one day the seed will sprout and become the Word within their hearts. Only God knows.

    Thanks for the info here.

    SHalom

  10. Hi Anne! I didn’t know I was moderating yours! It must be because you have clicked out then back on into my follower thing. I am sorry you have taken affront. Like I said, I did not nor do I moderate deliberately anyone. The program here does the choosing. Unless I’m missing something on the setup page.

    Hope you get this settled and feel better now. Shalom,
    Jeanne

  11. April says:

    When we become a part of God’s family, we are not promised perfect days. It is the imperfect days when we are to draw even closer to God in our relationship with him. He hungers for a relationship with us. Also, it has been in the ugly times of life where God has been at work the most in my life. Even in the ugliness, there are blessings from God. I don’t think that the bible lies but what I do think is that we forget to listen for His small still voice in the midst of the storm.

    Each and every day and each and every event is God’s carving us into more of His likeness.

    • Great thoughts, April. Thank you.

      I agree, the bad comes with the good, from God, and we are blessed by it. The Bible speaks the truth! It is God’s word. It does not lie, as God cannot lie.

      Christians are not immune to suffering, death, pain, etc. God does promise protection, help, goodness. However, we must remember everything is in His will, for us and our lives. Blessed are those that mourn, for they shall be comforted. Blessed are those who are persecuted…

      How glorious is the blessings we receive from following His will!

      Shalom

      • April says:

        Yes, God has a reason for everything and a purpose and reason for everyone! In HIS time, we will all understand. Until, we have to simply put our hand in His and trust him.
        My favorite verse to a song is “in His time, He makes ALL things beautiful.”

  12. Ok, Jeanne, lesson well learned …

    I answered your question, and then went to shut things down to go walk. The computer locked up before I was sure I was logged out of everything, my ipod would not let me get on facebook to check if I was logged out because of my safety settings, my cell phone messed up when I tried to retrieve my facebook password.

    I sat here and said outloud, “Why is it …?”

    [ My thoughts continued … ‘that every time I set my mind to do something I know I should do, something happens to upset the process?’]

    Immediately, the Lord asked my heart, “Did you forget already about learning patience?” :-)

    • Did you say you were learning patience?! LOL

      Here I sit, trying to type this to you, and I just got back from the eye doctor’s so I can’t see much with the pupils dilated from one side to the other! Well, I’m trying to answer these comments. Sorry if there is a delay.
      :)

  13. Susan Michaels says:

    Christians aren’t the only people who suffer in life. Everyone does. The Bible informs us that suffering came into this world because of sin —which is really ‘self will’ over God’s will.

    Suffering exists. It is painful. Ugly. It’s a reality. No one is exempt from suffering. Athiest and Christian alike will face suffering in life.

    However, the amazing thing about the God of the Bible is that He ALWAYS meets those who believe in Him — right in the middle of suffering. Take the three young men of faith who were thrown into a fiery furnace by an angry king because they believed in God. (Read: Daniel Chapter 3). And what abut the poor man who begged for a living who Jesus talked about? The rich man who had sometimes threw the poor man a few crumbs didn’t get it …that God had a rescue plan in mind for the poor man(Read: Luke 16:19-31). And then there were the two thieves brutally hung to die on Roman crosses next to Jesus. One of the thieves was angry at Jesus and cried out that if Jesus was really God, he would instantly save them!(Luke 23:39-43). The other thief realized the reality of suffering and impending death, and he humbly asked Jesus to have mercy on him. Jesus said that man…would be with him that very day in Paradise.

    We don’t have all the answers in this life. We never will. If we had all the answers…’we’ would be ‘God’. And the reality here and now is – suffering is real. But in the middle of suffering, is a God who not only died to redeem us from the power of sin, death, and suffering, He promises to rescue us from future suffering which He alone knows is coming.(Revelation 3: 10).

    God DOES promise blessings. And He always delivers. The greatest blessings is eternal life. We won’t know how great it is until we get there. And in the meantime, not ALL of life is suffering, but when suffering comes, I would much rather go through it WITH Jesus than WITHOUT Him.

    My prayer for athiests is that they will know the God who meets them in the middle…of another kind of suffering —unbelief.

    “For God desires that none should perish…but all should enjoy everlasting life…” 2 Peter 3: 9. By the way, Peter, a follower of Jesus who wrote this, knew Jesus personally and was willing to suffer for his faith. Peter died hung upside down on a Roman cross. He knew that Jesus said that those who suffer and die for their faith will receive a ‘greater weight in glory’ than any suffering borne in this life.

    Peter explained why sufferings come. You can read about it in 1 Peter 1:7 and 2 Corinthians 4:17.

    • Wonderful wrapup, Susan. Thank you. You touched on a lot of areas regarding that question. Great testimony here developing for atheists and Christians alike. Thank you, Lord.

      Shalom

  14. SPTP2011 says:

    I feel it is useless to argue something “the World” will never understand
    I just answer: I respect your feelings and understanding and I hope you can respect mine.
    For myself, when I draw near to God – He draws near to me
    I look forward to your writing
    God Bless
    susie

    • Thanks, Susie, for sharing! Love it. You are right, the world doesn’t understand.

      However, I believe we as Christians are to give an account of why we believe to those who ask. Perhaps that questioner will be drawn to Christ and saved from the fires of hell. Anyway, I respect your opinion…

      Shalom and God’s best,
      Jeanne

  15. mtsweat says:

    I think the ladies have this well under control, so I’ll simply say Amen. I look forward to your post. God bless

    • A welcome comment! I do believe the answer has much to do with our belief in God. And then God’s will in our lives. Then the chastening in our lives to bring about even greater faith and blessings. Reread the Beatitudes! Shalom

  16. We will know “farther along.” Jesus said in this world we will have trouble (with a capital T!) “I have told you these things so that in Me you may have peace. You will have suffering in this world. Be courageous! I have conquered the world (John 16:33 HCS).”

    • Hi Pam! Nice reply. This question requires deep thought. As Christians, we know Who we have believed. Atheists have no such foundation. Our faith sets us free; their disbelief leaves them floundering.

      A terrible predicament to be in for anyone. That is why we are admonished to be able to give a good account for our belief to those who are blind. Amen

      That’s what I’m working on for the post answer. Have to put it all together to wrap it up.

  17. Jeanne, I wrote a 5-part-series for ChristianBlessings on why there is suffering in the world; and touched on this in my post “For All Have Sinned”. http://ptl2010.com/2011/10/25/for-all-have-sinned/

    The Bible makes it clear that we have suffering because of sin; but I believe that Christians suffer for a variety of reasons.

    It could be un-confessed sin in our lives and God is trying to get us to acknowledge it. Hebrews 12 tells us that God chastens His children because He loves us – just as we would chasten our children because we love them.

    It could be to grow our faith and draw us closer to Him. If we suffer, we will move closer to Him for His strength and peace; if our lives were all smooth and worry free, we might move away from him and think we could live under our own power.

    In Matthew 10 Jesus tells us that we will be hated of all men and that we will be persecuted. If they persecuted Him, they will persecute us. It is a way for us to relate to Him.

    Romans 5:1-5 tells us that tribulation brings patience and through the tribulations we should not be ashamed because we have the love of God in our hearts.

    Romans 8 tells us that we are joint-heirs with Christ and that we will also suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified together with Him. Then it reassures us that no matter what we suffer, God will work it for good to us that love Him.

    James 1:3 also says trials will teach us patience.

    1 Peter addresses the issue of suffering for righteousness’ sake – that Christ left us an example on suffering (2:19-25) and that the trials to our faith will be much more precious than gold when it is tried with fire. (1:7)

    Does this help? :-)

    • This is from the post “For All Have Sinned”–

      “Many people question why God allows so much pain and suffering in the world.

      Yes, He could take the suffering out of the world, but then He would have to take us out of the world. It is our sinful nature that has created the suffering that we now have to live with; and that will keep us from heaven when we die.”

      Obviously, I go on to point out that faith in Christ is the only way to recieve forgiveness for our sins.

      • Thanks, Dru. Some very good insight. I think the question asked by the atheist was presented by God to get us Christians to thinking why we have this “Faith.” We need the assurance. :)

  18. I have a theory. Even though the Bible was written by man it is suppose to be inspired by God; however, the translation of many passages are not the correct translation of the original document. Therefore, I am not one to take each word of the Bible at face value. I think there is a word for people like me. As a catholic, I am suppose to believe that the Pope is infallible. I don’t believe that either because he is simply a man and men are fallible.
    This could become a long discussion and I think it does not help in answering your question.
    With that said, I would not even bother to reply. It is what you believe and have faith in and an atheist would not believe whatever you might offer up for a suggestion.
    Opinions are just that….everyone has one.

    • Thank, Linda, for your thoughts. Yes, everyone has opinions.

      I do believe our faith in Christ should be more than opinions though. As the old hymn goes, “A Firm Foundation” is Jesus Christ my Lord. Amen

  19. Naphtali says:

    oh, please tell me the answer! Even Christians don’t understand it.

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